Things To Consider Before Dating A Younger Woman
The phenomenon of men dating younger women is depicted everywhere in pop culture. Hollywood movies frequently cast much older male actors to star alongside young actresses, and the same actors are often snapped by paparazzi dating much younger women in real life. Male singers have long referenced younger women in songs with epithets like "baby" and "little girl" and now it's increasingly common for women to refer to their sexual partners as "daddy". The idea that it's normal and natural for men to date women five, 10, 15 or even 20 years younger than them is pretty firmly culturally ingrained at this point.
However, it's worth taking a second look at whether this phenomenon should continue to be taken for granted. There are certain difficulties that accompany every relationship with a large age gap, but in the case of men dating younger women, there's also a tricky power dynamic that needs to be considered.
So, if you're thinking about dating a younger woman, here are five things you should bear in mind before doing so:
1. The Power Dynamic Is Skewed
"Power dynamic" is a term that recognizes that power in social relationships can come from many sources: money, age, prestige, class, and so on. Speaking in general terms, older people have more social power than younger people, and, in a variety of demonstrable ways and despite measurable progress in this area, men have more power than women. Hence, when you combine the two variables — an older man and a younger woman — the power dynamic favors the older man. The bigger the age gap between you, and the younger she is, the more skewed the power dynamic will be in your favor. Other variables like race, class and gender identity will also factor in to the power balance of your relationship.
The presence of a skewed power dynamic does not necessarily mean that a relationship with an age gap should never happen, but it does mean that you need to take extreme care, and in certain cases it's sensible to decide that the power dynamic is too out of whack for a relationship to be formed. Age of consent laws help us to draw a clear (legal) line between women who are too young to date and women who aren't, but aside from this, every man must draw his own moral line.
It certainly depends heavily on the age of the younger woman rather than just the quantity of the age gap. For example, when a rapper in his late 20s dates a 17-year-old celeb, people find it suspicious and harmful, but fewer people think a much larger, 20-plus-years age gap between some celebrity couples is objectionable if the woman is in her 30s when they got together — these are fully grown women capable of making their own decisions and much less likely to be affected by peer pressure.
So, there are no clear lines, but if you're over 30, dating a woman under 20 is likely to be perceived as suspicious and potentially harmful, dating a woman between 20-25 is a sliding grey area, but probably more acceptable, and dating a woman 25+ is generally going to be socially acceptable. Again, though, these are not hard and fast lines or rules, and you need to draw your own moral lines.
2. She Is, By Definition, Not Mature
A young woman can be smart, witty and worldly, but she is, by definition, not mature or experienced. Certain life experiences and personal qualities only come from being alive on earth for a decent length of time, so if you are considering dating a woman who you would otherwise think is too young but for the fact that she's "really mature for her age," stop kidding yourself. If your prospective partner is fresh out of high school, having never weathered a job loss, heartbreak or any of the other hallmarks of adult life, you are (a) going to struggle to relate to each other, and (b) she is not going to be well-equipped with the tools needed for a serious relationship yet.
3. She Might Be Expecting Too Much From You
Stereotypically speaking, when a young woman dates an older man she may have a few qualities in mind that she expects you to have: financial security, maturity and gentlemanliness, for example. She may think that guys her own age are immature and directionless, and be looking for an older guy to provide more stability for her.
Which is all well and good, except if you're as directionless and financially insecure as the men she's trying to avoid. Or maybe she's not looking for financial security, but she thinks you're going to be a complete gentleman who will woo her with flowers and chocolates, whereas you're not the slightest bit romantic in the traditional sense. She might have completely unrealistic expectations of men in general, or she might simply have unrealistic expectations from you in particular that you are never going to be able to meet, and you will need to work those out before starting something serious.
4. You Might Be Expecting Too Much From Her
Similarly, you might be tempted to date a younger woman rather than someone your own age because of a cliched idea that they have a relative lack of "issues", are more wild, fun, flexible, and so on. This isn't a great way of looking at things: young women still have their own complications, hang ups and issues, and besides, the entire point of dating someone is to share your life with another fully realized human being with flaws, not a Barbie doll who will never challenge you or require reassurance or assistance. You expect your partner to love you, warts and all, so if you're only dating younger women because you think that they're relatively "flawless", you're going about things entirely the wrong way.
The only way you can figure this stuff out is to talk openly about your expectations. If she's seeking a silver fox who will open car doors for her and order Champagne at every restaurant you visit, you're going to need to be straight with her if you're not going to be providing that for her. Let her know that you're a person she'll be dating, not a weird father figure or security blanket. Likewise, she can let you know that she's a human woman with flaws and insecurities, not a hot babe who will never "burden" you with a single emotional need. (Just kidding, we know you don't expect or want that at all. You don't want that, right?)
5. You May Not Want The Same Things From Life
Let's say you're not burdened by the above issues: she has a realistic idea of what she expects from older men, and you in particular; and vice versa. You're not looking for a flawless one-dimensional sex doll and she's not looking for a sugar daddy either — you're just two regular people who like each other and clicked, and there happens to be an age gap between you. That's great!
It's still worth considering the "stage of life" problem, though. While not everyone moves through life at the same pace and ticks off the same milestones at the same time (university, work, marriage, babies, buying a house, etc.), there are still, broadly speaking, stages of life: an interest in partying and lack of responsibilities typically characterizes your 20s, for example, whereas your 30s tend to be career building years, and your 40s. well, you get the picture.
If your significant other is an amazing person who you mesh with well, but you simply aren't looking for the same things (she just wants to party, you're ready to start thinking about settling down and having kids, for example), it's just not going to work out. These issues can, of course, affect couples who are the same age and who have different priorities, but relationships with a large age gap are especially susceptible to the "stage of life" problem.
So, what's the answer? Should you date a younger woman?
It pays to look very closely and honestly at your reasons for considering dating a younger woman. If you're ignoring a disturbing power imbalance — or you're dating a younger woman in the hope of avoiding all the "baggage" fully realized adult women bring with them — you need to take a deeper look at your priorities. Your partner isn't a trophy to show off to your friends and coworkers, she's a human with her own interests, struggles, insecurities and past. If that scares you, you might not be ready for a relationship at all, let alone one with a younger woman.
However, maybe you've met a woman you really vibe with, and she's younger but not too young, and you've talked about everything — your expectations, where you are in life, your goals for the next few years, etc — and you're aligned. In this case, you'll still need to treat carefully for all of the above reasons, but if you're really feeling each other, go for it.
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But how do you know if RussianCupid.com really is the site for you? We have answered some of the most common concerns when it comes to choosing the right site.
Why do I need an exclusively Russian women dating site?
A Google search for “dating sites” will bring up hundreds of thousands of results. There are obviously plenty of general dating sites to choose from but if you know you’re specifically interested in dating Russian women only, aren’t you better off on a site that caters to your needs?
On a Russian site, you don’t have to search through thousands of irrelevant, non-Russian profiles. You will be able to browse a wide selection of profiles of Russian women living in Russia, Russian women living in different countries (expatriates looking for someone locally) and even international women living in Russia.
What services can I expect from a Russian site?
When choosing a site, these are a few standard services you should look out for to make sure you have an enjoyable experience on the site:
Free site trials are a great way to get to know a site and decide it is what you need. A site will often let you take advantage of a free Russian dating experience, allowing you to browse profiles and photos and even enjoy some interaction with members on the site.
A quality database of profiles and photos of real Russian women for you to choose from. If a site has only a few thousand members, it’s unlikely to offer you many options and make it harder for you find the woman you’re looking for.
An advanced search engine that helps you search for your Russian match using specific criteria that is important to you. Interested only in blonde Russian girls with blue eyes, living in St. Petersburg? No problem! A good site will allow you to search the site using a variety of criteria.
Specialized communication features such as instant messenger, personalized email system, audio and video chat are important to get to know your potential dates.
A safe and secure site that not only guarantees the safety of your personal and financial information but also actively works on eliminating suspicious and non-genuine profiles from the site.
A customer support team that is easily accessible to help you sort out any issues you may experience.
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Online dating for Muslims is geared for marriage minded users as a gap between tradition and modernity. Muslim dating is a term that has risen as the world has become more globalized and secular. While Muslim dating is considered a controversial topic, many Muslims are beginning to wonder whether the idea of dating is such a bad thing. Traditionally, the concept of dating while Muslim was frowned upon and was actually considered taboo; however, as Muslim immigrant communities have sprung up in Western countries, traditional views on dating have had to take a back seat and adapt to the ever changing world.
Modern Muslim Dating
Forward thinking Muslims believe that Muslim dating is about getting to know each other without the physicality that is associated with dating. The main goal of Muslim dating is actually marriage which ties into religion. When it comes to dating under Islam, the Quran still determines every aspect of a relationship from the introduction to marriage. Traditionally, marriage was about two families coming together. The families would choose suitable mates, conduct and chaperone dates, and oversee the engagement and marriage ceremonies.
In Islamic law, a marriage between a Muslim man and a Muslim woman (Nikkah) initiates a physical relationship used to gain God’s blessings. This long term commitment must first be made before the physical and emotional attachments associated with marriage and love can happen. As the world has progressed, some of these practices have come to be seen as outdated, especially by the younger generations who believe they should have a choice concerning the person they marry. Liberal Muslim scholars and some websites devoted to Muslim Matrimonials have come up with a concept that has tied in faith with dating known as Halal Muslim dating.
Halal dating is becoming quite popular in countries such as the USA and the UK. What makes a date Halal is the following:
The date must occur in a public place
The date must not occur in seclusion (Khulwa) unless there is a chaperone (Mahram) present
Flirting and physical contact are forbidden.
The family is usually involved in the process in some way, for example, during the introduction process
Some conservative Muslims choose to refer to Muslim dating as Islamic courting so long as it conforms to the 5 basic principles of religion and marriage: mutual compatibility, attraction, spiritual understanding, social blessing and announcement and finally Islamic marriage.
Muslims and Online Dating
The rise of the internet and increased connectivity has made the world a global community. The ease with which the internet has provided chances for people to engage has spread to dating and nowadays online dating has become a part of everyday life. This fact has also spread to Muslims who are willing to try this method as a way to meet potential marriage partners. This has led to the rise of Muslim dating websites such as Muslima whose main goal is to help singles find likeminded partners with the goal of marriage. It is a low stress solution to the daunting challenges of finding a partner for marriage in countries where few share their faith and in communities where matchmaking is considered a family affair.
The pros of single Muslims engaging in online dating greatly outweigh the cons most of which are rooted in a misunderstanding of what online dating is. Muslim online dating opens up a whole new world of possibilities with the right path to finding a marriage partner.
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As per dating guide, it seems pretty simple. Two people are interested in each other, so one asks the other out. If they have fun, other dates follow. Maybe they get married and start churning out little babies…Maybe they part ways eventually.
But that’s not how it always works, is it? No, things have to be more complicated if you are obsessive .
First, you have to meet someone. Gone are the days when you could meet a perfectly nice guy while picking out produce…For all you know, he could be a serial killer! No, you probably should play it safe and set up a dating profile online. After you weed out the weirdos (Foot fetish? Um, no), the geeks (People really play Dungeons and Dragons?!), and the clueless losers (Looking for someone just like mom, huh?)…You might have a decent candidate or two.
Now you pick one and Facebook stalk him like it’s your job. Let’s call this phase…research and development. Make sure to really dig through his pictures. For all you know the initial photo he sent you was actually his cousin, the male model (Also, find out if his cousin is single). Take a look at the stuff he shares… Do you have things in common? Can you look past the fact that he’s a hardcore Republican and ends every status update with #ThanksObama? Most importantly, can he spell?
Once you’ve given him the (tentative) stamp of approval, it’s time to call up your BFF to obsess over every bit of conversation you’ve had with him thus far. Did he really laugh out loud at that joke, or was that “LOL” pure sarcasm? What did that winky face even mean?!
You’ll have to meet him in person at some point…This is called a dating in USA. In some cultures, this forced and rather awkward face-to-face interaction is considered a form of torture. Unless you’ve got an out-of-the-box thinker on your hands, you’ll probably go out to dinner and then see a movie. I think this has been the first date standard since Adam and Eve.
Make sure to dress appropriately…though it’s really impossible to know what that would mean. This is a good time to invite your BFF over so you can try on every item in your closet at least twice. In fact, you should probably just burn your whole wardrobe and go shopping.
While your BFF is there, do a hair and makeup test run. There’s nothing worse than realizing your red lipstick is a little too…”Come hither”…halfway through your date. And you really want to make sure that purposely messy updo you saw on Pinterest looks messy in a sexy way and not in a “Why yes, that is a bird nest on my head” way.
So now that the guy is BFF approved, you have the date scheduled, an outfit picked out, and your hair and makeup has been tested, you can relax and look forward to meeting this potential Man Of Your Dreams.
What did he do to prepare, you wonder?
Oh, well…He might have bought a new shirt. But only if his favorite one was dirty.
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Dating a wealthy woman surely has its perks. Getting a wealthy woman is something you should consider as a man. If you are a good-looking bachelor and you still don’t know the benefits behind having a rich girl as you your girlfriend, then you need to check out the benefits below;
1. They are influential, this means they have got influence over others. They have a wide network of people which they can tap into when someone they love is in need. If your rich girl finds out that you are a truthful and faithful person, and you are in need of help, just a phone call from her might help you out.
2. Having a rich girl as your girlfriend means you are having someone who is determined and focused as your girlfriend. If you are full of ideas and doing everything to bring your ideas to life, you can discuss it with your partner and when she sees that your idea has got some profit potential, she might contribute.
3. Dating a wealthy woman means you are dating someone who is very hardworking. In other words, when she’s given a task, she will always endeavor to do it perfectly. If she should contribute in your project, that means you are in good hands because most times, wealthy people demonstrate great abilities of leadership. And some of them are patient and dependable.
4. Dating a wealthy woman means dating someone who is admired by the public. Most times when people discover that someone is attached to a public figure or someone that is well respected in public, they offer the same respect they have for that public figure to the person. This makes you look good in people’s eyes, therefore increasing your influence with various individuals and groups.
5. Dating a successful woman also means you are going to have someone to talk to about different life choices as people who have attained success usually have vast knowledge which they don’t mind sharing. They will have different stories to tell, about their achievements and about themselves. You can get a lot of insightful information when you date a wealthy woman.
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Men’s Ten Biggest Complaints About Women
No matter how many women write in to say, ‘I don’t do this!’ the fact is many, many, many women practice the behavior that follows. Men have complained about these problems in various male-oriented forums before, but here, now, I drag their 10 biggest complaints into the daylight so that everyone can finally see how women make complainers out of men.
You like to play coy.
If you like us, let us know. If you don’t, let us go. This game where you pretend you don’t care and secretly hope we chase you down is for teenagers. You think men like the chase? Perhaps. You think we like guessing whether we’re wasting our time? No.
You fixate on what we’re thinking, when you should be watching what we’re doing.
You ask, “What are you thinking?” and we say, “Nothing.” You figure this must be a lie, and decide that we aren’t willing to communicate with you. The problem is, this is the wrong question to ask. We’re action-oriented. You don’t need to ask what we’re thinking, just watch what we’re doing. Coming home late every night? We’re not happy at home. Uninterested in sex, probably crushed by stress. Not calling you back even though we said, “I love you?” We don’t love you. You can save the questions about musings until you see a change in our behavior. That’s the surest sign that something needs to be discussed.
You don’t understand and/or like our need for alone time.
This often expresses itself with regard to hobbies. Say a man likes to play golf and has played for years. Many a man has gotten into a relationship only to have the woman complain about the time he spends playing golf. She’s jealous of this time. Of course, if she loves him she should know that he NEEDS this time on the golf course. It’s his passion. It’s his release. Without it he will burn up with anxiety and frustration over life’s little indignities. Why does she get involved with a man who has a hobby she doesn’t like? See ”You see us as projects you can fix.”
You have a complicated set of double standards.
I could write a novel on this one. We only need look at the example of going dutch on a first date. You offer to split the check, and if we let you, you hold it against us. Really? You demand, quite rightly, to be in on all important relationship decisions, yet when we take you out and ask, “What would you like to do tonight?” you are angry that we haven’t taken charge of the situation. It’s a confusing set of double standards and antiquated rules that make it very difficult for us to know which move is the right one.
You want us to change, and then lose respect for us when we do.
It’s an interesting phenomenon. When a man and a woman get together it is likely that he will have some hobbies, tendencies, or habits that she doesn’t like. For instance, I have a friend that met and married a woman who wasn’t thrilled that he played in a band. She was a bit threatened by the attention he received and his time spent pursuing this. She told him, “I really wish you didn’t play in this band,” and because he loved her, he quit. Within a few months this woman was confiding to her friends, “I’m a little less attracted to him because he quit the band, and just did what I asked. Now, he just hangs out at home.” It’s a specific example, but a common problem. Clearly, the man should do what he feels he has to do, but we try to be accommodating, and to have that count against us is infuriating.
You see us as projects you can ‘fix.’
You meet us. You like us. You date us. You marry us. And somewhere along the way it might seem that you love us just as we are, but rarely does it work out that way. Women see potential. They see rough edges, and they want to sand them off. This makes us crazy. We don’t want to change. We have chosen our car, hair, friends, home and hobbies because we enjoy them. The knowledge that you are thinking, “If he could only. ” is a deeply disturbing thought, and perhaps more sinister is the idea that this behavior is so common that even if you aren’t the kind of woman who wants change, we expect that you do and are only biding your time.
Your expectations are set by Hollywood and sky high.
Hollywood strikes again. I have a buddy that has plans to attend a Nicholas Sparks book signing so he can tell the man to KNOCK IT OFF! Most women know at an intellectual level that their man isn’t going to be like George Clooney, or Brad Pitt or that Italian guy from ‘Under the Tuscan Sun’, but in their heart they want it. They’ve been fed a fantasy about romance and passion for so long that when a REAL act of love comes down the pike, he notices that the tread on your tires is low and buys a new set, it hardly even registers.
You’re always looking down the road.
Women tend to think about the next major step in life. Men tend to think about the next major meal. Certainly part of this is driven by biology. A 34-year-old single woman who wants to have children has to think about the future. She has to think about finding a quality partner, where they are going to live, is there enough room for the baby in the study? A 34-year-old single man has far less interest in planning or pushing towards some future major life goal. This difference in priorities often leaves women in the unpleasant position of saying, “next,” “next,” “next” when it comes to relationship events. There is a female drive to get answers to questions like, “What ARE we?”, “Are we exclusive yet?”, “Are we going to get married?” that makes it seem like they aren’t enjoying the now and only worry about the future.
You use your emotions as a weapon.
You don’t mean to. I suppose it isn’t your fault that during an important conversation about the future of our relationship you start crying, but surely you understand that this derails the ability to pursue the issue at hand. You’ve, essentially, played a kind of trump card. If we continue to advocate our side, we’re bullies. If we give in, we’re weak.
You have a tendency to be critical.
I’ve tried to avoid the word n-a-g, but there seems to be some internal mechanism that makes women predisposed to criticism, in the same way that men are predisposed to seek their man cave. It’s almost a cliché — the wife that complains and makes demands, and the husband that just wants to be left alone to watch TV or work out in the garage.
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Dating Etiquette and Rules for Women – First & Second Dates
It’s been a great night of drinks, dinner, and conversation, but the evening is coming to a close as the bill is finally brought to the table. Questions start to flood your mind: Do I offer to pay? Did I do everything I could have to impress my date? Will there be a second date?
Dates can be stressful, especially first dates, but by following some dating etiquette, a woman can relax and enjoy the experience. Here are some guidelines to help you handle awkward situations involving the bill, and some other general dating advice for women.
How to Handle the Financial Aspect of Dating
Who should pay the bill when you go out on a date? What can you order on the date? It all depends on how long you’ve been dating, and how far you are into the relationship. The financial aspect of dating is much different for a first date, for example, than it is for a fourth or fifth date.
Most men will pay for first dates, but some won’t pay or expect the woman to pay for her share. Here is some advice for a woman going on a first date:
Go Prepared . Even if the man asked you out by offering to pay for your dinner, bring enough money to pay. The man may forget his wallet, or be unable to fully cover the bill. Perhaps he intended to split the bill from the beginning. Or maybe the date just doesn’t go well, and he no longer wants to pay for your share. With so many possibilities, it’s a good idea to carry cash with you and be prepared to take care of the bill if necessary.
Be Considerate of What You Order . A first date is not the time to order the most expensive item on the menu, or to order multiple courses and pricey drinks. By the end of the date, you may quickly decide that the guy is not right for you. It would be inappropriate to let him know you are not interested, after he just spent half his paycheck on you.
Be Mindful of the Restaurant You Pick . If the man asks you to pick the restaurant, choose a moderately-priced restaurant or find restaurant discounts and coupons. Don’t select an expensive restaurant, and don’t ask to go to a fast food restaurant, either. You do not want the man to have to pay for an expensive dinner, and you do not want to insult him by selecting a cheap restaurant.
Subtly Offer to Pay . While most men will pay, it is important to make sure that the man knows you did not just go on the date for a free dinner. Some men will be insulted if you offer to pay, so you need to subtly hint that you are willing to pay. For instance, when the check comes to the table, reach for your purse. Chances are that the man will tell you not to worry about it as he reaches for his wallet. Just thank him, and let him know that you appreciate his gesture. If he doesn’t stop you, don’t be offended. Simply offer to split the bill, which is fair.
Ladies, after you have been on your first date or two with a man, the rules change a little. Do not expect the man to continue to pay for nice dinners and evenings out, even though some men will still pay. Here is some advice as your dating relationship gets more serious:
Continue to Offer to Pay . You always want to arrive prepared, and if this is your second, third, or fourth date, the man may or may not allow you to pay, but at least you have shown that you are willing. It all depends on his belief system, how he was raised, and his current financial situation. If you find out that your personal belief system about how men and women should split the bills on dates doesn’t match with his, perhaps this is where the relationship ends.
Communicate . If you continue to date this gentleman, there may be a time when you feel it is right to discuss the financial aspect of dates. A conversation about how bills are split on dates helps both of you to understand what to expect. If this is going to be a lasting relationship, this may be the first of many difficult conversations about finances, and it is important to open the lines of communication from the very beginning.
Do What Works as a Couple . In this modern era of working women, there are a lot more options when it comes to paying for a date. Essentially, it’s about what works best for each individual couple. Perhaps you decide to take turns paying, or perhaps the man decides he always wants to pay. The key is to communicate about money, so that there are no hard feelings.
General Dating Etiquette for Women
Although the financial aspect of dating has changed drastically in recent decades, it is just one aspect of dating etiquette. Here is some more general etiquette advice for women going out on dates:
Give Him a Chance . You may have had a long week at work, and you may be tired of the dating scene, but if you have agreed to go out on a date, you need to put your best foot forward. The man you are going out with may have been looking forward to this date all week, and perhaps had to step out of his comfort zone to ask you out. Have a good attitude and an open mind while you are on the date. You could end up having the night of your life.
Dress to Impress . You may not feel like dressing up or trying to impress your date, but he may be expecting more than jeans and an old t-shirt. If a man is buying you a nice dinner or dressing up for you, show your appreciation by freshening up before you go on your date. It is a nice gesture, especially since men really enjoy seeing the woman they are taking out all dressed up.
Arrive on Time . Unfortunately, women are known for being late. Show your date respect by arriving on time. If you know you will be running behind, call ahead to let your date know. That way, he is not wondering if you have bailed.
Don’t Talk About Old Relationships . There is no bigger turnoff than a woman talking about her old boyfriends. If you say something positive about an old boyfriend, it shows that you admire him and may still have feelings for him. On the other hand, if you say something negative, how does your date know that you won’t do the same to him?
Don’t Dominate the Conversation . Another turnoff is when someone dominates the conversation, so make sure you give the man a chance to talk about himself. That is also the only way you will get to know him.
Don’t Talk About Marriage or Children . If you talk about marriage or children, you may come off as too desperate, and it may scare your date away. Show your date some respect by avoiding a pushy subject, such as marriage, too early in your relationship.
Don’t Drink Too Much . First of all, if the man is paying, he will pay for all your drinks, which will quickly add up on the bill. Secondly, you don’t want to come off as though you have a drinking problem, which may be a red flag for the man. Most importantly, you need to make sure you are thinking straight. If you are out on a first date with a man you do not know, you do not want to make yourself vulnerable by having too much to drink.
Be Interested in Him . You may not find his profession as an accountant or computer programmer riveting, but make eye contact and show him that you are interested in what he has to say. Hopefully he will show the same respect for you.
Don’t Play Games . It takes courage for a man to step out of his comfort zone and ask out a woman, so be honest and straightforward with him. Don’t play games by acting as though you are interested in him, or not interested in him.
Don’t Chase Him . Don’t rush the relationship or try to move along the relationship at an uncomfortable pace. Let the man be the pursuer, and wait for him to contact you. Women are sometimes ready to express their feelings much earlier in their relationships than men are, so don’t pressure him to express his feelings prematurely.
Be Honest . Don’t give the guy the runaround if you know it is not going to work out, and don’t avoid the subject of a second date if you need to tell him that you won’t be going on one. Be honest, and do it at the end of the first date or soon after. That way, he doesn’t get his hopes up and expect a second date.
End the Date if Necessary . If the date is going on too long, and you are ready to go home, it’s okay if you end the date. Just say that you are ready to call it a night. If you do not plan on going on a second date, don’t hint that a second date is a possibility. There is no reason to carry on the date through coffee and dessert if it is miserable and not going anywhere. Your date may appreciate your honesty, and the end to a rough night.
The most important piece of dating etiquette for a woman is to be respectful of the man you are dating. Be respectful of how you treat him, and be respectful of his wallet if he is paying. If you respect him, he will respect you, and hopefully that will lead to a long and happy relationship together, lasting much longer than a few dinner dates!
What are your thoughts on dating etiquette for women? Should women pay for dinner on the first date?
Question actually: If a man makes in two months what a woman makes in one year, is she still expected to offer to pay for dinner? Especially if he is always in charge and choosing restaurants she cannot afford. And the arguement came up after 18 months of dating.
That is interesting that the question came up after 18 months of dating. After 18 months, a couple is typically already in a groove and have agreed upon how to deal with paying for dates. It sounds like the couple should just talk it out and figure out what makes sense for them as a couple.
The financial side of dating has never come up until now and I feel like a total heel. I did some research and discovered that it is very typical for a woman to pay. Been a long time since I dated…. Anyway, how do I bring it up now? He was quite angry about it. I did try to say to him that when he needs and asks for cash I always give it, sometimes it is $100 or more. I have even spent my own money on his family for outings but he was quick to inform me that it was just a drop in the bucket as to what he has spent.
If he makes in two months what you make in a year then there are a few ways you could work it out… You can pay for every 7th meal: 2months/12months = .16, 1day/7days = .14 so that’s about equivalent to the salary disparity… but it seems like it would be really awkward to count dates like that forever, you could also just pick one day of the week that is “your day to pay” that might be much easier or I would suggest that he should pay for the meal and you should cover the gratuity! Even though tip is usually 20% you do have some making up to do for the past 18 month free ride 😉
If a woman makes LESS income or has less material wealth/assets than the man, I do FIRMLY believe a man should always pay for both himself and his date for the first three dates or more, and the woman should also always offer to pay or open her purse as a gesture, and hopefully met with a “no, thank you, I’ve got this” in response. After the first several dates, I think the woman contributing the tip or around 20% if the man allows this is reasonable; alternatively, she treats him out once in a while to a moderate-expensive meal…
If the woman makes MORE money than the man (which may or may not be determined in advance or during a course of a date) I think that the bill may be split 50/50 if they so choose, but only if she definitely earns MORE than the man. The reason why I think I woman should not pay more than half on a regular basis if she makes more money, is that maintenance for a woman costs more than maintenance for a man to look great on a date, and it helps a man feel powerful and chivalrous, not disempowered by a strong or successful woman.
I know this was 2 years ago but must say I have and will always agree on the maintenance of a woman and thats why the man should pay. It takes a lot of money and time for a woman to get “dolled up”. I the man does not have the means for constatnt dinners than a picnic or just a home night is more then fine after 3-4 dates. If he has the money or not it is in my opinion that spending 200-300.00 for a dinner is just throwing money away. Its nice for the first couple of dates to show her you want to treat her nicely but after that a bucket of chicken by the water is much better and it shows the guy that she really wants to just spend time with him.
You sound like a really wonderful person. I hope that you find someone who reflects, reciprocates and parallels who you are. You deserve it 🙂
I was dating a girl that was in school while I was already working. She had a job too at night, but I’m quite sure I made more money. On date 4, she decided to let me know in advance that she is asking me out and she wanted to pay. She took me to a movie, bought popcorn etc. It was so charming, I think i fell in love with her a little after that night. GOD that’s a classy move on her part.
I have numerous dates; and I can afford to pay for dinners; however, most men I date always pay for dinner. Why; because men over 45 tend to be established and in a good position. If he’s on a dating site / divorced / etc. More than likely he’s looking to date and has a dating budget. If under 45 [Gen X,Y ]; you probably grew up in a world whereas your parents paid for everything and more than likely you want your date / girlfriend to pick up the tab. New era, I suppose. Whether or not the dating scene is changing; people’s perspective of who owes what isn’t. — If the man chooses the restaurant and makes reservations; and goes all out for this date…it’s his night. He was probably going to dine alone anyway; and his expectations weren’t about [finances] they were more about probably having a chance to win someone over or meet something he would be pleased with. — It cost more to gamble at the casino than to have an enjoyable meal with someone…or go out with the guys.
All these assumptions and people getting upset over it! Listen, every person is an individual with different viewpoints and experiences in life. If a man asks a woman on a date, make it clear to her BEFORE you meet what your preferences are. If you prefer to pay, let her know. If she’s not comfortable with that, either discuss it and come to an agreement or don’t go out. If you expect her to pay half, tell her BEFORE she gets all dolled up for you. If she can’t afford to pay anything, offer to go do something free, like a walk in the park. If she refuses, then refer her to your friend who insists on paying for everything on the first date and get the number of the girl who insists on paying her own way. Let go of the resentment! The problem with dating today is ‘EXPECTATIONS’…not everyone is going to think like you do. There is no such thing as “men (or women) need to just make up their minds”. Quit looking for a monolithic, homogenized societal norm that every single person has to adhere to. We have a multitude of communication devises at our disposal and we can’t simply talk to each other. State what you want BEFOREHAND and let go of the “should” mentality. It’s not that hard.
I recently went on a first date with a man who “forgot” his wallet. He asked me out, he picked the restaurant, and I drove an hour and a half to meet him in his town. (Now, before he asked me out, we had talked over the phone a bit and he knew that I was new to the area and hadn’t found a job yet.) He did have the courtesy to tell me immediately that he forgot it, so I suggested a less expensive place to eat. My first instinct was to tell him to go back and get it I’ll wait because I didn’t just drive over a hundred miles to take him out on my unemployed, nonexistent dime…but I held my tongue. He said he found some money in his pockets and console of his car and could cover the first $60. He seemed sincere and that’s the only reason why things continued on. We had a great dinner and found out we had a lot in common, but I ended up pitching in the $20 I had as emergency money for the long trip because he ordered 3 things to my one thing and even though we were sharing the meal, the cost still ran over $60. I felt like he was doing this on purpose…getting the bill over $60 when we could’ve easily eaten for less just to see how I’d handle it. Then again, he might be doing very well and isn’t thinking about my temporary struggle…? I don’t know. We kissed good night and he asked to see me again. So, here’s where I’m a little stuck. Besides the fact that a lot of men are forcing women to pay with the “I forgot my wallet” trick…which is douche-baggery guys…just be honest about not wanting to pay BEFORE you go out. (Read comment below) My indecision about him is the fact that he never offered to help with gas for ‘next time’ and he didn’t offer to cover what I pitched in. The next date he wants to have is for him to cook me dinner at his place…over 100 miles away. I tried twice to get him to come up to my place to cook together, seeing that if he wants the 50/50 treatment, it’s his turn to drive, but he insists I go to him. What are your thoughts? I’m just curious…now that I’ve put it into writing in front of me I have my answer: I’m not going to drive out to see him again until he’s shown some effort by driving up to see me. I’ll also remind him of the fact that until I have a job, I don’t have money to spend on dating…something I told him BEFOREHAND.
Girl….WHO are you fooling? Yourself? This man is NOT worth your time.
Yes the ‘forgot my wallet’ is BS. If sincere he would have demanded you take the money from him the next time. Also any good guy would if not come to you the next time would give you money for gas. Now he wants to cook you dinner in his place. DONT GO. He just wants to see what he can get away with. Some guys just like to push girls/women to see how far they will go to be with them. Its just an ego trip thing. I could be wrong and maybe he just does not have money also. It depends on your ages, homes and such. First red flag was the no wallet bs but finds 60.00 in his car. Who has 60.00 floating around their car. Maybe a couple of singles and lots of change but that’s about the norm. Why are you going over 100 miles for a date. I am 48 and may be an old fool for my thinking and breaking “the man code” but no one should treat another like that and never on a first date to impress night. I would like to tell you about great places to meet people but I am still looking for them myself. Maybe a Church. The older couples will try to pair up the younger ones…Just a thought. PS- do not take any of my advice because I still do not know what I am doing myself.
I did not notice it was 7 months ago. Hope it worked out for you.
Jack’s right, but I have to admit this guy you’re describing sounds like a scrub genius. We definitely test girls, mainly to qualify them – an uptight girl will not get very far. HA but this guy, wow! And YOU, 100 miles and paying for stuff? now that’s an impressive woman! What’s your #?
Reverse the genders in this story, what would you say if a man had written it? Most would think he is ridiculous, not for driving 100 miles, since some men may do that, but for all the talk on who should have paid. The questions should be; Were they nice? Did you enjoy their company? Did they show a genuine interest in you? Were they respectful? All the advice from the article above.
I just read the article on dating and thought of an idea. Would it be a good or bad idea to make a copy of it and send it to your date before the date. Also I loved what you wrote and must now ask…are you married ?
I have another question. When going to a nice dinner is it ok for a doggy bag on either side. A lot of woman do not like to eat in front of guys on the first couple of dates. Is it ok to order a doggy bag so she can Enjoy it later. I am not a cheap guy but if spending 50-100.00 per plate and just throwing it away seems wasteful to me and must say if she feels it wrong I do not go on another so called date.
$50-$100 per plate.
From a guy’s perspective, the last section (etiquette) has some pretty bad advice. FOR INSTANCE . wrong Don’t Talk About Old Relationships. This is how we learn about you, but keep in mind we are evaluating your personality to see if we want a second date. wrong Don’t Dominate the Conversation. Ask questions about us if you’re interested, but it is OKAY to do most of the talking. Again, we asked you out because we’re curious about you and do actually want to learn more about you and most guys are uncomfortable sharing about themselves. wrong Don’t Talk About Marriage or Children. this is actually OK advice, depending on your motives. and good advice perhaps maybe if your date is very young. if he’s older than 30, marriage talk is okay even though he may not be interested in marrying or even thinking about it, but you won’t scare him away by talking about it. well, children maybe, that’s always a scary topic. but an older guy will not sleep with you if your values are different, and it’s important he knows this. better to scare him away, then trick him into seeing you again. maybe wrong Don’t Drink Too Much. This is more for you than him. Guys like fun girls, period. The more drunk you are, usually the more fun you are. wrong Don’t Chase Him. WRONG! IF a girl is not doing some level of chasing, a confident guy with options is not going to respond well. You need to chase him to a point of meeting him AT LEAST half way. Keep in mind, if he is a quality guy, he has other girls chasing him too – and the one that gets our attention wins. That’s the reality of it. So if you want him, take a risk, better to try and be rejected than lose to another girl because you didn’t try at all.
maybe wrong End the Date if Necessary. This is actually good advice, but keep in mind you probably won’t get a second date. but you may not want one if you’re bored enough to end the first date.
These are your opinions/beliefs. I happen to disagree with you. I don’t have to hear stories about past relationships in order to get to know a woman’s personality. Both sides ought to be curious about each other. Having a woman talk about herself is fine as we are both trying to get to know each other. What I do not like is endless talk where they just want you to listen and take no interest in asking anything or not responding when I do talk about myself. I as a guy, is comfortable talking about myself if I feel the woman is truly interested and respective of what I have to share. Responding with judgments and endless advice does not honor achieve that.
Having dated extensively for 18 years, the above post from andy is ridiculous, disregard it completely.
No offense John, but seeing you type “I have dated extensively for 18 years” does not give the impression of a successful person who knows who to give the best advice to those of us who are actively dating. It sounds like you have struggled and perhaps have not found the correct way to look at the dating scene… as 18 years later you are still alone.
Divorce laws have created a profit business for women after a few short years. Maybe you have no assets or income to lose, I do and prefer to date.
If a woman has the good fortune to have two fellows asking her out, is it appropriate to date them both?
The answer is most often yes, it is acceptable to date more than one man platonically, but do not talk about it to either of them. If asked, do not lie, but do not answer. As long as you act like a chaste lady with them, they should believe you act the same with the other man if they suspect you are dating another. If your intentions change to a relationship towards one, give up the other.
the guy should pay
This was all great advice. I have been single again for 18 years and have dated extensively. The final word of respect was the most relevant. It is amazing how many lack consideration or are clearly taking advantage of men. If you seek a quality relationship you must be a quality person, this advice can help get you there. Most marriage minded men are seeking someone sincerely nice, which means cares about others. For internet dating consider adding a short casual first date that does not involve dinner since most will not be a match. Reasons I would not ask for a second date: #1 late, #2 does not reach for purse as a gesture to pay, #3 does not thank me for the dinner, (a follow up thank you within a day or so is even better), #4 Dominates the conversation. Number one reason I would chase a woman, she is nice.
Should have added, men are expected to pay, period. However, men should have an expectation of the woman to make the dinner date go well in appreciation for his effort. That means following the above advice! Failure of the woman to do so shows a lack of appreciation for the man’s efforts and he should not ask her on another date!
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I can relate to this though i am gay (this is also applicable to gay men). Such a brilliant advice 🙂 thanks so much. A guy friend of mine is asking me again for a date. 2nd time. Really hoping it will go well 🙂
I’ve been dating a guy for a few months now… first time we went out for drinks, he offered to pay and when I said I could pay for myself, he said fine. No problem. Since we’ve been dating longer, he’s paid for a coffee or beer for both of us occasionally and I’ve covered both occasionally too. Recently though, I’ve been making dinner and getting a bottle of wine for the both of us fairly often. This gets expensive. He still lets me for things at least half the time out…. I wish he would take care of me a little more. especially considering he makes more money.
Shrugging Away Eh Atlas
Welcome to equality
Bullshit. We’re still not paid the same as men and we’re still fighting for reproductive health care. If you think this is equality, you must be male.
Shrugging Away Eh Atlas
Hate to break it to you, but some of us know that you’re the one shoveling “bullshit”.
I’ve gone on 3 dates with one man. Each date started casual at my request – grabbing tea and going for a hike. By the end of the hike, about 4 hours into our day, he begs me to go to dinner – all 3 times – and all 3 dates we split the check. (One of the dates I actually paid $10 more than what I ordered… He always orders more food, more drinks, etc.) The last date all I had was a bowl of soup. What a cheap POS. Not to mention the fact that I drove 45 minutes and paid bridge toll all 3 times to meet him. He can’t figure out why women keep dumping him. Do I tell him? How do you say it nicely??
The 10 Biggest Dating Turn Offs for Women
There may be traits that make a guy the perfect one, but there are a few turn offs that all girls hate. Read the 10 biggest dating turn offs for women.
Many guys have been here and experienced it.
The date’s going perfectly, but all of a sudden something goes wrong and she’s gone cold.
Ever been there? Well, here are a few of the biggest turn offs for girls that may have pulled the trigger.
Pinpointing the turn offs for women is not easy.
After all, every girl is different and made of sugar and spice, right?
And which guy on earth actually knows all the ingredients of that perfect sugar and spice blend?!
The biggest turn offs for women
On a serious note though, there are a few girl turn offs that can pull the plug on a perfectly great date.
Turning on a girl isn’t easy, and we’re not just talking about tweaking any body parts here.
Getting a girl to like you is difficult business. It’s like playing a role playing game, where each move is unique and confusing.
But whether it’s making hay in the rain or just wanting to know how to impress women, the biggest turn offs for women are all the same.
Now, some women like big hands and some like small things. I can’t tell you every girl’s personal preference, so I’ll just tell you what you need to know to make sure you never find yourself in the middle of a girl’s turn off zone!
#1 Insecure personalities
One of the biggest turn offs for women is a guy who’s insecure about himself. If you’re not confident about yourself or are feeling nervous, trust me, it shows. This is one of the biggest reasons why guys get spurned on a date.
Are you happy being who you are? Do you think you make for great company? If you aren’t happy being who you are, what are the odds that the girl you’re with would like your company? Some guys have a great positive aura around themselves and some guys are just plain nervous and scared. If you’re an insecure guy, it’s time to change your behavior. Or lose the girl! [Read: How to be a better man ]
#2 Oversensitive guys
All our lives, we’ve been taught to be nice and chivalrous. We know we have to help the damsel in distress, step aside in an elevator, hold the door open for women, and make sure she’s all happy and gay. [Read: How to be chivalrous ]
To sum it up, we’ve all been taught to think like a girl and experience what they feel. But somewhere along the line, some guys take the whole game of being chivalrous and experiencing the womanliness inside a man to a whole new level. Drum roll… welcome… the sensitive guy. [Read: How to think like a girl and impress her ]
Sensitive guys are really nice guys who’ve listened to their mama and have learnt their manners. They’re very much in touch with the feminine side inside them, but they’ve been so rigorously trained on connecting with their feminine side that they’ve crossed the line and have gone way overboard. Watching a mushy movie with a guy and crying on his manly shoulder is a great way for a girl to spend Sunday afternoon, but sharing tissues to wipe each other’s tears? Nope, that’s just not right. Same goes with guys who ask if a girl’s having a nice time a hundred times on a date.
#3 Being cocky or pompous
Some guys think they have it all. And at some point, all the attention and the smothering from their parents and buddies make them assume they own the world. They make idiotic statements and love talking about their own glorious deeds or misdeeds. Do you incessantly talk about how well you played a game or how many cars you own?
Well, say what you want, you’re just going to be a cocky pompous prick. Even gold diggers may get bored of you in no time. Learn some humility and you could still get back in a girl’s good books.
#4 The foot in the mouth
Now this isn’t a bad thing, but we’ve all experienced it. Here are a few instances. You’re kissing a girl, and all of a sudden, you stop and tell her you need to pee. You touch a girl on a date and excitedly tell her how happy you are to touch her. You’re having an affair with a girl, and you ask her if she feels weird about kissing someone other than her boyfriend.
You get the drift, don’t you? This is not always your fault, but nevertheless, it’s still a huge turn off for women. [Read: How to touch a girl on a date the right way ]
Gosh, another big one on the list. Have you ever met a guy who was just too boring? Now I don’t mean nerdy or geeky, those types can be great guys and even better boyfriend materials. I’m talking about boring guys whose company can kill you in no time.
All girls and guys have experienced this at some point in their lives. We’ve all had to sit next to a guy, and his conversations were so boring that you would rather jump off a cliff. To avoid being a guy in this cliché, work your conversation around what your date wants to talk about. If you see her looking around while you’re talking, it’s time to change the conversation. If you see her eyes light up and her gestures getting animated, you’ve hit the conversation jackpot, baby! [Read: What to talk about on a date ]
Are you a dumb guy? Yeah, of course, you aren’t. But many guys are really dumb without realizing it. Now I’m not talking about being an idiot or the village simpleton. I’m talking about guys who speak their minds on a date, without thinking about how their date would feel. If she’s looking around while you’re talking, and you realize you need to change the topic of conversation, do it discreetly. Don’t ever say, “oh, you’re getting bored, aren’t you? You can tell me, I won’t mind…”
Unless you want your date to claw her nails into the leather of her seat or crawl her toes in awkward cringing desperation, avoid being a dumb guy.
#7 Fidgety and touchy guys
Movies always portray an exaggerated version of the touchy feely guy. You don’t need to have sensitive nipples to be a touchy feely guy in real life. The worst part of being a touchy and fidgety guy is that most guys don’t know they’re that guy!
Let me give you a few examples here. Do you play with your hair, your pen, or start tapping your foot or drumming the table now and then while bobbing your head like a giraffe when you’re bored? Do you find yourself touching your chest a lot after working out for a few days? Bingo! You’re that fidgety and touchy guy. Don’t ever be touchy feely when you’re on a date, it can be annoying and at times, even creepy!
Now we have the mirror cracking good looking boy. Any guy who spends more time in front of the mirror than his own girlfriend is a huge turn off. But we’re not stopping there. If you’re having dinner with your date, and the waiter accidently spills a bit of juice on your silk shirt, wipe it away like a man. Don’t whine about how your silk shirt is ruined and behave like a drama queen. [Read: How to be a great date ]
In the world of dating, a narcissistic guy is one who’s overly bothered about his own things like his cell phone, watch, or just about anything else that belongs to him. Boy, you’re with a woman. Let her be the cynosure of your eyes!
#9 A unmannerly prick
Manner, manners. Girls like a guy who knows his manners. Now every guy should know his manners *though he should never push it and become the sensitive guy*. But that’s not it at all. There’s something even bigger.
You should be man enough to apologize or accept that you’re wrong. No guy’s a bigger sore loser or a turn off than a guy who just can’t accept his fault, but would rather throw tantrums and make a fuss and pout like a four year old. Learn to man up and remember, accepting that you’ve made a mistake is not a sign of weakness.
#10 The overenthusiastic fan
Are you into video games? Sports? Or perhaps, you like your well toned muscles that could put Brad Pitt in Troy to shame. Stop talking about it for a minute. It may be football fever or anything else. But going on about it when you’re on a date is a huge turn off, unless she’s very much into the same activity. And if she doesn’t like your favorite team or doesn’t share your interest, stop trying to rouse her interest by going on talking about it. It’s just boring!
All said and done, always remember these ten dating turn offs for women. There may be many more unique turn offs too, but it’s to each her own. Just remember these ten biggest turn offs for women, and you’d definitely stay in her good books.
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I would hate any guy who tries to get into your pants early into a relationship. Call me old fashioned, but I think a man has to put forward sexual advances only if the woman gives him a few signs. For me, a guy who tries too hard is definitely the biggest turn off in a man.
If he can’t wait for it, he isn’t worth it!
Having sex on a first date or getting sexually attracted to someone isn’t bad. If the chemistry feels perfect within a few hours of meeting, I don’t see why a guy’s sexual advances can seem like a turn off. At the end of the day, a guy’s sexual advances, as long as it’s done chivalrously, is only a sign of his attraction for you.
ok… so women are turned off by every guy. I’m a lady and all of these types I have met you make them sound really bad and that they desperately need to change…. no one is perfect and everyone has insecurities… be yourself, easier said then done… but try.
My biggest turn offs are guys who say overly mushy things way too early in a relationship, but then again I hate any type of overly sensitive feeling stuff, and would rather just have some chill guy who you can play computer games with and joke around without being so serious. Oh, and guys who are constantly trying to get you into the things that they’re into, but not the things you’re into. That usually signals you either have nothing in common and are trying to force some commonality or he’s just not interested in things you like.
(I never knew I hated all of these things until I went out with this one guy who is literally the personification of everything I don’t like in a relationship. He’s a cool friend though)
I’ve met a lot of women in my life, and I’ll tell you something. Most of them were such boring princesses with so high expectations that it made them sound so ridiculous after some time that I had to let them go. The only reson that kept me from leaving them was that I was attracted physically to them (I mean sex), and thats that. You cannot expect a guy to be your Mr Right when you aren’t Mrs Right. Bye, bye princesses.
C’mon now…. so don’t be these 10 things and what do you have left? A robot with no emotions. Girls you don’t understand how hard it is to be a guy, trying to compete and impress a girl, and trying o be themselves on top of that. Don’t be so quick to judge, because I guarantee you aren’t ‘perfect’, and you shouldn’t be… either you learn to love the person for who they are, or don’t become involved with them, and certainly don’t lead them on. same applies to guys.
this is unrealistic and all people have insecurities and no one is perfect. Things happen in peoples life. so you never know what’s going on or happened in someone’s life. Everyone is going to have issues and a fault or more then one fault and thats just how it is. Steve
Lol i highly agree with this list. Boring/ dumb guys are the worst.
WTF? No guy can live up to that.
Here is the condensed version: 1. Look good, smell good, wear washed, matching clothes. Keep your shoes clean. [keep teeth clean]. 2. Keep the conversation about here. 3. Remember, this is the first date. You look good, you smell good, and your keeping the conversation about her so why give a ****. Its the first date or whatever and you just met her, so what do you have to loose by not caring and over thinking this? Nothing.
Look, this list is simply unrealistic and none of the things listed are even that bad (asides from the being boring as all heck I suppose but still). If you really want the ‘Perfect Guy’ well, I hate to tell you but perfection is an impossibility and because perfection is imperfect… Well… I think you can see that true perfection is imperfection. The things that make a guy (and girl) imperfect are the best things about them. It shows how unique they really are. And for Christs sake people, is it really that hard to learn up on your partners favorite subject? No, it’s not and ladies I guarantee that your guy gets equally infuriated by not knowing anything about your favorite subject either haha so just take some time and listen or learn. Anyways, I guess what I’m trying to say is that you should love your partner for who they are, not who you want them to be. If you do that then you will see how great they really are.
It turns me off when a guy has bad and i mean decayed teeth!
Funny about fidgety as fair enough I sometimes am especially if it’s in a continuos period of work being stressful, but outside of first date only how about the playing with hair, touching you, adjusting their clothes, biting their lip, lifting one arm to scratch the other side of their head while showing their armpit. A lot of this could be considered as fidgeting or being nervous but could be considered as flirting so does it just depend on the gender?
It’s not insecure personalities that turn women off. It’s personalities that she interprets as being insecure. Similarly it’s not secure personalities that turn her on ,but those which she interprets as being secure. I’ll leave it at that. My job is to do what I have to, to become more secure, and to appear as well as being more secure, because those two things are both important but only until I find a woman worth keeping- and a lot of women have a lot of turn offs to me. Interestingly, an insecure woman is not one of them, provided she trusts me. That in fact can be endearing. I guess its because I like a woman with strong self-esteem and everything, but if she’s too much into her independence and career, why would I want to date her or make a life with her? I’m not looking for a female body with a male role to play. That’s just not what I want (although I require her to be white). Becoming less insecure is not about changing your behavior as such as it is about conquering and accomplishing those things in life you need to as an individual, although changing your behavior might very well affect whether or not you appear to be secure or insecure.
Now on to #2. Sensitivity. Men in our culture are damaged in so many ways. They have to find their way out of a veritable labyrinth of coercions and suggestions laced with punishments and rewards. Both are equally evil- they both turn a being into a robot zombie and they have nothing to do with the free spirit. I spit on your rewards. I choose what I want to accomplish and then I do so. When your punishments block my road to success ,I’ll blast you out of the way or endure the pain if I deem it worth it, but they don’t steer me in another direction. In fact they do, but only through my deliberate acceptance, and in terms in which I will not be made a zombie and will work to overcome your authority to punish and reward me, the source of your strength. Now men have to struggle to be free in this culture, this unnatural subsidized culture. Rob peter pay marry culture. Let the bastards grind me down, or try. Now sensitivity- in spite of this, women are there for us to enjoy and to make use of, through connection. They are not there to worship although they can be pretty impressive. They are excellent fakers, appealing to our compassion and our honor code, which we will not sacrifice, but in this culture they don’t really need our help. And in muslim and other cultures, where they really do need our help, nobody wants to give it to them anyway because they don’t want to upset the men, who are real men. We too are real men, we have just been manipulated cleverly. The first and greatest step to overcoming this is recognize it as a fact. I am all about being sensitive to women. My baby will be sensitive. I will not snip his skin, so he will be sensitive to his woman of choice’s inner regions. It’s hard here because noble men naturally feel women are their sisters, women of their race and tribe. Genetically one should sacrifice for the woman. The problem is the manipulation of the instinct, and deception of the mind or senses. Crocodile tears. Mama’s advice and pleadings. And if you don’t, they’ll call you hitler (who wasn’t actually as bad as they portray). The bottom line, we live in a sick culture, which is selecting for non-noble traits. I’m not even deeply attracted to many of the women – I am just enticed by them. They keep their mystery to preserve and enhance attractiveness, but it only hides their normalcy. I have been to many other countries, and I have seen how different it can be. I have also seen how hard it can be to overcome the pull of gravity of your own culture and it’s system of rewards and punishments and role models and media autosuggestion, so I can’t fault anybody, especially if they’ve never left their homeland. But I declare our present state of affairs unsustainable. Implosion and being overtaken by immigration. By those who are not so sensitive. Now we need to be the warrior, not the sensitive lover. It is all about timing.
Did you forget the biggest turn off? When guys check out other girls right infront of you. Guys…this is a no no because this is a form of rejection. And nobody likes feeling rejected. What you are really saying when you check out other women is “I don’t really want you enough” or “there is much better than you out there” or “you’re not enough” among other ones. When you’re sending that signal to the girl you’re on a date with, she’ll assume you’re not interested in her.
Here’s a big one for me: Game Playing. Especially when you think you connect with someone and he acts crazy about you all night. Then he wants to play the power game with calls.
True but to show “too much” interest these days let’s a woman know she’s too good for him. Dating these days is sort of weird – it’s almost as if people are trying to care “just enough less” than the other person. Men AND women play these games now – it’s all about acting cool and indifferent and guarded. Really makes a person my age think “blech” when it comes to dating. I like a more honest/direct approach. “You’re nice. I like you. Let’s do things together.” Wow, to be able to be that direct again and not have to play smartphone cat and mouse games hey? Men and women both do it. Maybe it’s time to change the nature of the game… and just be real again.
Best dating advice for men. ….Don’t bother.
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